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I think for me personally what is frightening is who claims to be the holder of truth and how it keeps getting distorted. I was around these folks when JP2 was still Pope and I was often deeply scandalized about how they spoke about him.

Now, I see flaws in JP2, for very different reasons. Which, I find is a painful part of maturity. They were 100% wrong, but they questioned, which is absolutely right. I sometimes wonder had their questions been explored and heard in the 80's if other practices would have also come to light saving thousands of children and adults from sexual predication.

It all seems to come back to was Vatican 2 valid, and if not, do the Popes operating under it keep their infallibility. It really brings me a lot of trouble in many ways. A school near me is opening up under the tagline, "a pre-vatican 2 faith". There is a deep belief that much of the trouble that was brought to light in 2002 was a result of Vatican 2, even though a majority of the crimes we're observing took place before the 70's and the rest by priests formed in the traditional liturgy *AND* traditional formation of doctrine.

This battle over the idea of constantly moving forward, I find, is often steeped in the cherry picking of not only current modifications but in understanding history. Too often it neglects the inconvenient parts of both liturgies and teachings that were a shock (or scandal) to some. For instance, the Iroquois Mass or the Salvonic masses in the vernacular or the definition of usury. One of the things that I have to find some irony two popes *before* Pius X is the one who indicated that salvation can be found outside the church if one is invincibly ignorant of the church.

I will say, I've got an unpublished piece on Pius X Oath against Modernism and I do wonder how that inter-plays with what's going on now. My working theory is that it is much more like JP2 than those in the SSPX find comfortable, in that it questioned the wrong thing but highlighted something wrong. To me, very much the wrong and extremely contemptible against the primacy of conscience. However, I do wonder if the power of that level of control is what is still being sought.

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